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Saturday, October 29, 2011

10/29/11 The REAL RON RHODES re HOW WE KNOW CHRIST AROSE;

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Recorded on: 10/29/11 3:28p Duration: 31:16

10/29/11 The REAL RON RHODES re HOW WE KNOW CHRIST AROSE; (I thought the previous lecture abt cultists at your door was Ron Rhodes, but apparently not, because this was a different person, & the actual ron rhodes, so I don't know who the previous fellow was, apparently their topics are interchangeable for the speakers or the schedule was mis-printed, the other speaker re cultists may have been paul copan (altho I think he did the speech on homosexuality) or ed hindson, or tim lahaye or randall price) BEGIN; HE says unitarian universalists have a strong influence..[this is where I came in on the lecture...he's talking about groups that dontbelieve in physical ressurection].."....Islam doesn't blv in ress, jehovah witness..only spiritual ress, bahai says no ress, But WITHOUT RESSURECTION, there's no Christianity. Key to gospel is ressurection, 1 cor 15.1-6, "..if Christ not risen.." ..also resurrection was predicted...mentions several verses incl ps 16.10-11, acts 13.33, ..talks about proof of ress...tomb empty (4000 pound stone not easily pushed aside), seal broken (penalty by death), guards fled (also death penalty), body missing.., same body..(mentions seed analogy), 1 cor 15.42-43, luke 24.39,  (he mentions bereans), acts 2.31 "raised in flesh", reference to gundry's study of "soma" (greek for flesh), witnesses, ring of authenticity, 1st appeard to mary mag (missed his point), also ress. Explains transformation of disciples..he references barry leventhal,..also jews abandoned judaism to follow Jesus, can only be explained by somethingas extraordinary as a resurrection, also James, the half-bro of Jesus..once he came to believe spent the rest of his life praying on his knees (online there are numerous references to james "camel knees")., also an ancient confession of faith (1cor 15, refernces habermas), and another mention of james & the post-ress appearance of Jesus to James ...he then talks abt the importance of believing we will have actual, physical bodies in heaven..he jokes about "perma flesh"..no disease, no allegies, .etc, ..and "death will be swallowed up in victory' (says its a play on words for jews), urges us to "keep an eternal perspective",  ..ends w referance to hermann lange (who wrote a letter to parents)..& mentions his book entitled "wonder of heavens"(?)..." END

10/29/11 (part 2 Of 2)COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL, COSTA MESA

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Recorded on: 10/29/11 2:20p Duration: 09:17

10/29/11 (part 2 Of 2)COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL, COSTA MESA (sponsored by Veritas Evangelical Seminary) (partial audio, partial notes, partial verbatim)
PAUL COPAN (first, b/c I came in late - didn't hear the intro. The schedule says Paul Copan was to speak on this topic but I've noticed that not all topics have been spoken by the scheduled speaker (or the schedule itself was wrong),..so this may be somebody else, but I will go by the name on the schedule. The title of the topic is "A BIBLICAL, MEDICAL, & MORAL LOOK at HOMOSEXUALITY"; BEGIN: "[when I entered he was talking about shem , ham japeth,...."they are  always mentioned in that sequence, ham sees dad naked, noah cursed youngest son..actually cursed canaan ?  The word for "know" often used to mean "sexual relations" ..."to know" the visitor..LOT knew they wanted homosexual relations. Jude 7 cites Sodom, ..abomination repulsion, ..says there is no salvation for those who practice a homosexual lifestyle, albeit there is forgiveness for those who had an incident here or there of such, or stop altogether such a lifestyle ..homosexuals try to argue that sodom & gomorrah was destroyed b/c the men were not hospitable or b/c they didn't care for the poor & needy, or that God was condemning "homosexual rape" not just being homosexual..Copan doesn't buy it...the scripture is too clear..1 tim 1.8-11..the re-statemment of 10 commandments by paul..copan says adultery covers all sexual immorality.. he mentions natural law..that the parts don't fit...and that law doesn't determinemorality but morality determines law..and his BEST LINE was "WHEN LAW CEASES TO FOLLOW MORALITY, WE NO LONGER HAVE TO FOLLOW IT". ...he goes on to refute other arguments such as "mutual consent"..noting that if two adults mutually consent to rob a bank its still illegal...he refutes right to privacy.."can't kill in private",..quotes Lincoln re slavery "NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WRONG"...Less than 1% of population practice homosexuality but we get an impression that it is much more, ..he says there is no genetic tendency for homosexuality, it is a chosen lifestyle...questions why they should be a protected class and not others.."why shouldn't homophobes be a protected class as well, then?"  Mentions case "Lawrence v Texas", mentions aids was orignally called "grid"(?) (Gay-related disease)..but because of lobbying the name was changed..." END

10/29/11 (part 1 of 2) COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL,

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Recorded on: 10/29/11 1:49p Duration: 05:38

10/29/11 (part 1 of 2)COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL, COSTA MESA (sponsored by Veritas Evangelical Seminary) (partial audio, partial notes, partial verbatim)
PAUL COPAN (first, b/c I came in late - didn't hear the intro. The schedule says Paul Copan was to speak on this topic but I've noticed that not all topics have been spoken by the scheduled speaker (or the schedule itself was wrong),..so this may be somebody else, but I will go by the name on the schedule. The title of the topic is "A BIBLICAL, MEDICAL, & MORAL LOOK at HOMOSEXUALITY"; BEGIN: "[when I entered he was talking about shem , ham japeth,...."they are  always mentioned in that sequence, ham sees dad naked, noah cursed youngest son..actually cursed canaan ?  The word for "know" often used to mean "sexual relations" ..."to know" the visitor..LOT knew they wanted homosexual relations. Jude 7 cites Sodom, ..abomination repulsion, ..says there is no salvation for those who practice a homosexual lifestyle, albeit there is forgiveness for those who had an incident here or there of such, or stop altogether such a lifestyle ..homosexuals try to argue that sodom & gomorrah was destroyed b/c the men were not hospitable or b/c they didn't care for the poor & needy, or that God was condemning "homosexual rape" not just being homosexual..Copan doesn't buy it...the scripture is too clear..1 tim 1.8-11..the re-statemment of 10 commandments by paul..copan says adultery covers all sexual immorality.. he mentions natural law..that the parts don't fit...and that law doesn't determinemorality but morality determines law..and his BEST LINE was "WHEN LAW CEASES TO FOLLOW MORALITY, WE NO LONGER HAVE TO FOLLOW IT". ...he goes on to refute other arguments such as "mutual consent"..noting that if two adults mutually consent to rob a bank its still illegal...he refutes right to privacy.."can't kill in private",..quotes Lincoln re slavery "NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WRONG"...Less than 1% of population practice homosexuality but we get an impression that it is much more, ..he says there is no genetic tendency for homosexuality, it is a chosen lifestyle...questions why they should be a protected class and not others.."why shouldn't homophobes be a protected class as well, then?"  Mentions case "Lawrence v Texas", mentions aids was orignally called "grid"(?) (Gay-related disease)..but because of lobbying the name was changed..." END

10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa, Part 2 Of 2: 10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS (part 2):"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door"

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Recorded on: 10/29/11 12:02p Duration: 09:35

10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" (part 2) , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa

(Notes &  Audio, not complete) Ron rhodes: "... Re cultists, larry parker's diabetic son died due to no medical treatment b/c he belvd Jehovah Witness(JW)..chr science also denies disease..cults pile on guilt..if u leave, u will be shunned, JW IN '75 told people to sell their homes, Jehovah is coming..disillusionment, ..hare krishna..sex once/month only for babies..
Strategy needed..not all blv same thing, mormons at diff level, some mormons r at the "temple reccomend" level (like a drivers lic), some have studied more, some less #2) know your bible, books 'approaching god" bypaul enns, (&several of his) #3) cultists have an answer for everything; #4) check scripture, check context, some say God disapproves of birthdays based on Matt 14.6-10 (re Herod). #5) define terms. Cults use Christianity's same terms with different meanings..they are always redefining; 6) Ask Strategic questions: don't use flamethrower approach which may win the argument but not the soul; 7) Be Loving; gives story of wind & sun, sun uses warm glow to break down barriers; 8) demonstrate deity of Christ (quotes Harry Ironside)...Mention deity of Christ,...Isaiah 43.11 'i am the only saviour..' compare to Titus.."Jesus is savior" .make connection to one & the same....jbap was preparing way for yawheh in theperson of Jesus
#9) emphasise awesomeness of god's grace..diamonds of grace show up best against black cloth...Mormons say we must be perfect, joseph smith "on road to perfection..." failure to achieve perfection, criticize selves harshly, many mormons hurting,..lack of forgiveness..then drop the H-bomb of GRACE...

*10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS: 10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS (part 1):"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa (part 1 of 2, not complete)

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10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" (part 1) , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa

(Notes &  Audio, not complete) Ron rhodes? Re cultists, larry parker's diabetic son died due to no medical treatment b/c he belvd Jehovah Witness(JW)..chr science also denies disease..cults pile on guilt..if u leave, u will be shunned, JW IN '75 told people to sell their homes, Jehovah is coming..disillusionment, ..hare krishna..sex once/month only for babies..
Strategy needed..not all blv same thing, mormons at diff level, some mormons r at the "temple reccomend" level (like a drivers lic), some have studied more, some less #2) know your bible, books 'approaching god" bypaul enns, (&several of his) #3) cultists have an answer for everything; #4) check scripture, check context, some say God disapproves of birthdays based on Matt 14.6-10 (re Herod). #5) define terms. Cults use Christianity's same terms with different meanings..they are always redefining; 6) Ask Strategic questions: don't use flamethrower approach which may win the argument but not the soul; 7) Be Loving; gives story of wind & sun, sun uses warm glow to break down barriers; 8) demonstrate deity of Christ (quotes Harry Ironside)...Mention deity of Christ,...Isaiah 43.11 'i am the only saviour..' compare to Titus.."Jesus is savior" .make connection to one & the same....jbap was preparing way for yawheh in theperson of Jesus
#9) emphasise awesomeness of god's grace..diamonds of grace show up best against black cloth...Mormons say we must be perfect, joseph smith "on road to perfection..." failure to achieve perfection, criticize selves harshly, many mormons hurting,..lack of forgiveness..then drop the H-bomb of GRACE...

10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS: 10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS (part 1):"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa (part 1 of 2, not complete)

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10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" (part 1) , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa

(Notes &  Audio, not complete) Ron rhodes? Re cultists, larry parker's diabetic son died due to no medical treatment b/c he belvd Jehovah Witness(JW)..chr science also denies disease..cults pile on guilt..if u leave, u will be shunned, JW IN '75 told people to sell their homes, Jehovah is coming..disillusionment, ..hare krishna..sex once/month only for babies..
Strategy needed..not all blv same thing, mormons at diff level, some mormons r at the "temple reccomend" level (like a drivers lic), some have studied more, some less #2) know your bible, books 'approaching god" bypaul enns, (&several of his) #3) cultists have an answer for everything; #4) check scripture, check context, some say God disapproves of birthdays based on Matt 14.6-10 (re Herod). #5) define terms. Cults use Christianity's same terms with different meanings..they are always redefining; 6) Ask Strategic questions: don't use flamethrower approach which may win the argument but not the soul; 7) Be Loving; gives story of wind & sun, sun uses warm glow to break down barriers; 8) demonstrate deity of Christ (quotes Harry Ironside)...Mention deity of Christ,...Isaiah 43.11 'i am the only saviour..' compare to Titus.."Jesus is savior" .make connection to one & the same....jbap was preparing way for yawheh in theperson of Jesus
#9) emphasise awesomeness of god's grace..diamonds of grace show up best against black cloth...Mormons say we must be perfect, joseph smith "on road to perfection..." failure to achieve perfection, criticize selves harshly, many mormons hurting,..lack of forgiveness..then drop the H-bomb of GRACE...

Q&A; JOEL ROSENBERG & GREG LAURIE, HARVEST OC

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Wednesday, October 26, 2011

9/20/11 A PRIEST FOUND 4000 CATHOLICS WHO HAD NEVER SEEN A PRIEST

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9/20/11 cblog A PRIEST FOUND 4000 PERSONS PRACTICING CATHOLIC FAITH in KOREA DESPITE HAVING NEVER SEEN A PRIEST;  st p apost m:"In todays gospel jesus reveals universal love..not limited to specific group, but to those who accept the message & believe..no better example than the saints today..the korean martyrs ..great faith...church founded entirely by lay people..in kore, evangelism was difficult b/c korea had history of closing itself off to the world. But literature from jesuits was brought in.later chinese priest went to korea ..surprised 4000 people were already practicing the catholic faith even tho they had never seen a priest [actually, they had seen a priest...His name was Jesus Christ] ..continue liturgy..example of korean martyrs..respond boldly..rejoice in god's love..faith..to world . [also see http://saintoftheday.posterous.com/saint-of-the-day-september-20-2011-andrew-kim ]

Deut 10.12-22
1 King Darius issued an order to the officials of West-of-Euphrates"Let the governor and the elders of the Jews continue the work on that house of God; they are to rebuild it on its former site. I also issue this decree concerning your dealing with these elders of the Jews in the rebuilding of that house of God: From the royal revenue, the taxes of West-of-Euphrates let these men be repaid for their expenses, in full and without delay. I, Darius, have issued this decree..."

R: let us go rejoicing to the house of the lord

Lk 8.19-21
The mother of Jesus and his brothers came to him but were unable to join him because of the crowd He was told, "Your mother and your brothers are standing outside and they wish to see you." He said to them in reply, "My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and act on it."

COLDPLAY TALKS ABOUT MYLO XYLOTO, their NEW ALBUM

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COLDPLAY TALKS ABOUT MYLO XYLOTO, their NEW ALBUM ...I heard this interview on the radio ....for a story about coldplay, see http://www.esquire.com/the-side/music/coldplay-mylo-xyloto-review-6528860 , to be inspired by the greatest (true) story ever told, see www.HEARINGtheWORD.posterous.com.

7/8/11 HOLY, HOLY, HOLY

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8/28/11 SHEILA SCHULLER ASKS FOR PRAYER 4 CRYSTAL CATHEDRAL ...as ..

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the clock continues to tick towards end of october & whether or not the CC will be able to bail themselves out of bankruptcy or not ...need $50 million to stay on their feet ...ENTIRE WORSHIP SERVICE @
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10/25/11 TRANSCRIPT of PRESIDENT OBAMA's TONIGHT SHOW with JAY LENO APPEARANCE

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I was at the show at 10am (see ) and here's a transcript of the entire interview:

Transcript of President Obama's Interview on the Tonight Show With Jay Leno

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Below is a transcript of President Obama's interview on Tuesday's Tonight Show With Jay Leno as provided by NBC.

 

       THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO


JAY LENO:  It's an honor and a privilege to welcome my first
guest back to the show.  Welcome the 44th President of the
United States, President Barack Obama.

(Applause.)

Welcome back.

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you.  Thank you.  It is good to be back.

JAY LENO:  It's good to have you back, sir.  Of course, the big
news this week, Gaddafi is dead.  Rebel forces -- killed by rebel
forces.  Your reaction?  Your take on this?

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, this is somebody who, for 40 years, has
terrorized his country and supported terrorism.  And he had an
opportunity during the Arab spring to finally let loose of his
grip on power and to peacefully transition into democracy.  We
gave him ample opportunity, and he wouldn't do it.  And,
obviously, you never like to see anybody come to the kind of end
that he did, but I think it obviously sends a strong message
around the world to dictators that --

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- people long to be free, and they need to
respect the human rights and the universal aspirations of people.

JAY LENO:  Now, the mob mentality -- and it was a rebel mob, I
guess.  It wasn't a government --

THE PRESIDENT:  Right.

JAY LENO:  -- they televised the death.  Your thoughts on that?

THE PRESIDENT:  You know, obviously, that's not something that I
think we should relish.  And there was a reason after Bin Laden
was killed, for example, we didn't release the photograph.  You
know, I think that there's a certain decorum with which you treat
the dead even if it's somebody who has done terrible things.

JAY LENO:  Now, you took some heat for the whole
leading-from-behind tactic here with Libya.  Explain that.

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, the truth was, we -- this was a phrase that
the media picked up on.

JAY LENO:  Okay.

THE PRESIDENT:  But it's not one that I ever used.

JAY LENO:  No.

THE PRESIDENT:  We lead from the front.  We introduced the
resolution in the United Nations that allowed us to protect
civilians in Libya when Gaddafi was threatening to slaughter
them.  It was our extraordinary men and women in uniform, our
pilots who took out their air defense systems, set up a no-fly
zone.  It was our folks in NATO who were helping to coordinate
the NATO operation there.  And the difference here is we were
able to organize the international community.  We were able to
get the U.N. mandate for the operation.  We were able to get Arab
countries involved.  And so there was never this sense that
somehow we were unilaterally making a decision to take out
somebody.  Rather, it was the world community.  And that's part
of the reason why this whole thing only cost us a billion
dollars --

JAY LENO:  Right.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- as opposed to a trillion dollars.  Not a
single U.S. troop was on the ground.  Not a single U.S. troop was
killed or injured, and that, I think, is a recipe for success in
the future.

(Applause.)

JAY LENO:  Let me ask you about that because, with
Osama Bin Laden, I remember the night before you were at the
correspondence dinner and the whole deal.

THE PRESIDENT:  Right.

JAY LENO:  How hard was it to make that decision to send in those
Navy SEALs? because that could have been --

THE PRESIDENT:  It could have been a disaster, but the reason I
was able to do it was -- when you meet these SEALs and you talk
to them, they are the best of the best.  They are professional.
They are precise.  They practice.  They train.  They understand
what exactly they intend to do.  They are prepared for the worst
in almost every circumstance.  So even though it was 50/50 that
Bin Laden would be there, I was a hundred percent confident in
the men, and I could not have made that decision were it not for
the fact that our men and women in uniform are the best there is.
They are unbelievable.

(Applause.)

JAY LENO:  Now, you just announced the troops coming out of --

THE PRESIDENT:  Right.

JAY LENO:  -- Iraq.  We have, like -- 4,000, I think, were
killed.

THE PRESIDENT:  Yeah, 4-.

JAY LENO:  Billions of dollars spent, nine years.  What was
accomplished?  What did we accomplish there?

THE PRESIDENT:  Look, Saddam Hussein is gone, and that's a good
thing.

JAY LENO:  Right.

THE PRESIDENT:  The Iraqis now have the opportunity to create
their own democracy, their own country, determine their own
destiny.  And I'm cautiously optimistic that they realize that
the way they should resolve conflict is not through killing each
other but, rather, through dialogue and discussion and debate.
And so that would not have been possible had it not been for the
extraordinary sacrifices not just of our Armed Forces, but also
their families.  You know, when you think about the rotations
that over a million of our troops went through --

JAY LENO:  Right.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- and reservists and National Guardsmen and
-women and the strain that that placed on those families during
this long period, it's remarkable.  So I think Americans can
rightly be proud that we have given Iraqis an opportunity to
determine their own destiny, but I also think that policymakers
and future Presidents need to understand what it is that we are
getting ourselves into when we make some of these decisions.  And
there might have been other ways for us to accomplish those same
goals.  But the main thing right now is to celebrate the
extraordinary work that our men and women did.  Having them home
for the holidays for good is going to be a big deal.

(Applause.)

JAY LENO:  Let me ask you now, many members of -- many members of
the GOP opposed withdrawing from Iraq.

THE PRESIDENT:  It's shocking that they opposed something I
proposed.

(Laughter and applause.)

JAY LENO:  But, I mean, wasn't it originally -- didn't they want
to get out of Iraq?

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, look, I don't know exactly how they are
thinking about it.  You know, as you said, we've been in there
four years, over 4,000 young men and women killed, tens of
thousands injured, some of them for life, spent close to a
trillion dollars on this operation.  I think the vast majority of
the American people feel as if it is time to bring this war to
a close --

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- particularly because we still have --

(Applause.)

You know, we still have work to do in Afghanistan.  We are
transitioning to Afghan lead there.  Our guys are still -- and
gals are still making sacrifices there.  We would not have been
able to do as good of a job in decimating al Qaeda's leadership
over the last two years if we had still been focused solely on
Iraq.  And one of the arguments I made way back in 2007 was, if
we were able to bring the war in Iraq to a close, then that would
allow us to go after the folks who perpetrated 9/11, and
obviously, we've been very successful in doing that.  We are not
done yet.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  But al Qaeda is weaker than anytime in recent
memory.  We have taken out their top leadership position.  That's
been a big accomplishment.

(Applause.)

JAY LENO:  Can I ask you about taking out their top leadership,
al-Awlaki, this guy, American-born terrorist?  How important was
he to al Qaeda?

THE PRESIDENT:  Do you what happened was we put so much pressure
on al Qaeda in the Afghan/Pakistan region --

JAY LENO:  Right.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- that their affiliates were actually becoming
more of a threat to the United States.  So Awlaki was their head

of external operations.  This is the guy that inspired and helped
to facilitate the Christmas Day bomber.  This is a guy who was
actively planning a whole range of operations here in the
homeland and was focused on the homeland.  And so this was
probably the most important al Qaeda threat that was out there
after Bin Laden was taken out, and it was important that working
with the enemies, we were able to remove him from the field.

(Applause.)

JAY LENO:  I'll tell you, we are going to take a break.  When we
come back, I want to ask you about Hilary Clinton and her role
with the President right after this.

(Commercial break.)

JAY LENO:  Welcome back, talking to the President of the
United States.  So tell me about Hilary Clinton and the job she's
doing.

THE PRESIDENT:  She has been, I think, as good of a Secretary of
State as we've seen in this country.  She's been outstanding.

(Applause.)

JAY LENO:  Very good.

THE PRESIDENT:  I'm really proud of her.

JAY LENO:  I mean, something I think is really great is the fact
that you guys are both rivals.  And I did a lot of jokes about
you guys going after each other, but you come together for the
sake of the country.  And I thought that was pretty interesting.
Tell me about how that works.

THE PRESIDENT:  You know, it really wasn't that difficult.  The
truth is Hilary and I agree on the vast majority of issues.  We
did during the campaign.  In fact, one of the problems with all
of those debates was you started running out of stuff to say
because --

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- we had a similar world view.  She was, I
think, understandably tired after the campaign and hesitant about
whether or not this would be a good fit, and I told her that I
had complete confidence in her, that the country needed her.  She
stepped up to the plate.  She works as hard as anybody I've ever
seen.  She is tenacious, and we are really very proud of her.
The entire national security team that we've had has been
outstanding, and it's not just rivals within the Democratic
party.  My Secretary of Defense, Bob Gates, is a Republican.

JAY LENO:  Right.

THE PRESIDENT:  He was a carryover from the Bush Administration.
He made an outstanding contribution.  So I think one of the
things that we have done is been able to restore a sense that
whatever our politics, when it comes to our national security,
when it comes to the national defense, everybody has to be on the
same page.  And so the question now is, as we end the war in
Iraq, it is time for us to rebuild this country, and can we get
that same kind of cooperation when it comes to fixing what's
wrong here?

(Applause.)

JAY LENO:  Now, let me ask you something.  And this is a fun
story.  This is stuff I love, this rumor that Joe Biden and
Hilary might swap, and she might run for Vice President and he
might -- is there any --

THE PRESIDENT:  You know, Joe Biden is not only a great Vice
President, but he has been a great advisor and a great friend to
me.  So I think that they are doing great where they are, and
both of them are racking up a lot of miles.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  Joe tends to go more to Pittsburgh.

JAY LENO:  Right.

THE PRESIDENT:  Hilary is going to Karachi.

JAY LENO:  Right.

THE PRESIDENT:  But they've both got important work to do.  They
are doing great.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.  But you don't want to say "big f'ing deal" in
Karachi.  That could have some problems.  Now, I want to -- now,
the approval rating -- the bad news is your approval rating is
41 percent.

THE PRESIDENT:  Right.

JAY LENO:  The good news is you are still three times better than
Congress.  They are at 13 percent.  So explain.  I mean -- so if
you are grading on a curve -- if you are grading on a curve, you
are killing.  You are just killing.

THE PRESIDENT:  You know, look, we have gone through the worst
financial crisis, the worst economic crisis since the
Great Depression.  People are hurting out there, and they've been
hurting out there for a while.  And people were having a tough
time even before the crisis.  You know, incomes, wages, we are
all flat.  Costs of everything from college to health care to gas
to food, all of it was going up, and so people were feeling a lot
of pressure even before this crisis.  And so I --

every day I wake up saying to myself, "Look, you can't expect
folks to feel satisfied right now."  I'm very proud of the work
that we've done over the last two or three years, but they are
exactly right.  We've got more work to do, and that's why, right
now, for example, our biggest challenge is to make sure that we
are putting people back to work.  We stabilize the economy, but
there are not enough people working.  And so we put forward this
jobs bill that has proposals that traditionally have been
supported by Democrats and Republicans.  I mean, we've got -- we
are putting construction workers back to work rebuilding our
roads and our bridges.  I suspect folks here this L.A. would say
that there are some roads that could be fixed.  You know, that's
just my guess.

(Applause.)

JAY LENO:  See, here's the problem.  And the thing that angers me
and I think a lot of Americans is I didn't like what they did to
President Bush.  I don't like when they do it to you.  When
Mitch McConnell says, "Our goal is to make this guy a one-time
president."  I mean, why -- does that anger you?  How is that a
goal?  That doesn't help the --

THE PRESIDENT:  Look, I think the things that folks across the
country are most fed up with, whether you are a Democrat,
Republican, Independent, is putting party ahead of country or
putting the next election ahead of the next generation.

(Applause.)

And so what we need -- there are some real differences between
the party in terms of where we want to take the country.  I
believe we've got to invest in education and research and
infrastructure in order for us to succeed in the long-term, and I
think that there's nothing wrong with us closing the deficit and
making our investments by making sure that folks like you and me
who have been incredibly blessed by this country are doing a
little more of a fair share.  They have a different philosophy.
We can argue about that, but on things that, traditionally, we
have agreed to like infrastructure, like tax cuts for small
businesses to give them incentives to hire veterans, on things
that traditionally haven't been partisan, we should be able to
get together.  The election is 13 months away.  We've got a lot
of time, and the last thing we need to be doing is saying to the
American people that there's nothing we can do until the next
election.  We've got to do some work right, putting people back
to work.

(Applause.)

JAY LENO:  Well, you are by passing congress now and giving these
executive orders.

THE PRESIDENT:  Yeah.

JAY LENO:  Explain that.  Explain that.

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, look, if Congress is gridlocked, if the
Republicans in Congress refuse to act, then there is going to be
a limit to some of the things we'd like to do, but there's still
some actions that we can take without waiting for Congress.  So
yesterday, for example, we announced working with some of the
federal housing agencies.  Let's make it easier for people to
refinance.  A lot of these folks, because their homes are
underwater now, their mortgages are higher than what their homes
are worth, a lot of them are having trouble getting refinanced by
their banks.  And so they are locked in at high rates when rates
should be a lot lower for them.  We've said, "Let's figure out a
way to waive some of the fees, waive some of the provisions that
are preventing them from being able to refinance."  And that
could mean an extra couple thousand bucks in people's pockets
right now.  They then have that money to buy a computer for their
kid for school or what have you, and that will get the economy
going again.  So we are going to look for opportunities to do
things without Congress.  We can't afford to keep waiting for
them if they are not going to do anything.  On the other hand, my
hope is that, at some point, they start listening to the American
people, and we can work with Congress as well.

(Applause.)

JAY LENO:  Well, you are talking about listening to the American
people.  As President, you look out your window.  Do you see this
occupy Wall Street movement?  What do you make of it from your --

THE PRESIDENT:  Look, people are frustrated, and that frustration
has expressed itself in a lot of different ways.  It expressed
itself in the Tea Party.  It's expressing itself in occupy
Wall Street.  I do think that what this -- what this signals is
that people in leadership, whether it's corporate leadership,
leaders in the banks, leaders in Washington, everybody needs to
understand that the American people feel like nobody is looking
out for them right now.  And, traditionally, what held this
country together was this notion that if you work hard, if you
are playing by the rules, if you are responsible, if you are
looking out for your family, you are showing up to work every day
and doing a good job, you've got a chance to get ahead.  You've
got a chance to succeed.  And, right now, it feels to people like
the deck is stacked against them, and the folks in power don't
seem to be paying attention to that.

So if everybody is tuned in to that message and we are working
every single day to figure out how do we give people a fair shake
and how do we make sure that everybody is doing their fair share,
then people won't be occupying the streets because they will have
a job and they will feel like they are able to get ahead.  But,
right now, they are frustrated.  And part of my job over the next
year is to make sure that if they are not seeing it out of
Congress at a minimum, they are seeing it out of their President,
somebody who is going to be fighting for them.

JAY LENO:  We'll take a break.  When we come back, we'll talk
more with the President, ask him some personal issues.  We'll get
to an issue, of course, that's very big here in Hollywood, this
issue on the Kardashians.  We'll find out more about that.
Okay.  Right back with President Obama right after this.

(Commercial break.)

JAY LENO:  Welcome back to our President, President Obama.  We're
going to talk about some lighter stuff, about dealing with the
pressure of being President.  Now, I know you quit smoking.

THE PRESIDENT:  I did.  I did, definitively.

JAY LENO:  It's out.

THE PRESIDENT:  It's out.

JAY LENO:  All right.  Remember you are under oath.

THE PRESIDENT:  I am.

JAY LENO:  So tell me how you cope with the daily pressures.  How
does --

THE PRESIDENT:  Big on exercise.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  Work out in the morning with Michelle.  We've got
a little gym in the White House.  She's in better shape than me,
though.  So --

JAY LENO:  And she's very competitive.

THE PRESIDENT:  She is.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  And so it's embarrassing sometimes.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  Yeah.  She'll get up there a half an hour earlier
than me.  She will have already run 10 miles or something.

JAY LENO:  You know --

THE PRESIDENT:  And I'm, you know --

JAY LENO:  Speaking of that --

THE PRESIDENT:  -- staggering up to the gym.

JAY LENO:  As President, everything is public.  And I turned on
the news last night, and I see my President at a very famous
restaurant here in Los Angeles called "Roscoes Chicken and
Waffles."  Now, I think you ordered the Country Boy Special.
What is that?

THE PRESIDENT:  Wings and waffles.

JAY LENO:  Wings.

THE PRESIDENT:  With hot sauce.

JAY LENO:  So the fried chicken wings, waffles with syrup, and
wings with hot sauce.  Now, is Michelle -- I mean, she's sitting
back, watching the news.  Here you are scarfing down the waffles.

THE PRESIDENT:  Originally, it was just a way to be out there and
say hi to everybody, but --

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- once we got in the car, it smelled pretty
good.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  So, I mean, I'm eating the wings.  You've got the
hot sauce on there.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  The fancy presidential limousine --

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- smelling like chicken.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

(Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT:  And we were actually going to a fund-raiser --

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- with Will Smith and Jada.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  And I didn't realize it was so close.  So,
suddenly, we pull up, and my sleeves were rolled up, and I got a
spot on my tie.  And my fingers are -- I'm looking for one of
those Wet Ones, you know, to see if I have chicken on my teeth.
Anyway, it was not elegant --

JAY LENO:  No.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- but outstanding chicken.

JAY LENO:  Outstanding chicken.

THE PRESIDENT:  Outstanding chicken and --

JAY LENO:  Now --

THE PRESIDENT:  Now, here's the secret, though.  Here's the
secret.  Michelle, she's done a great job with this healthy
eating --

JAY LENO:  Right.

THE PRESIDENT:  - and let's move and get exercise.  But Michelle,
as quiet as this is kept, she loves french fries.  She loves
pizza.  She loves chicken.  Her point is just in moderation.

JAY LENO:  Right.

THE PRESIDENT:  So she does not get upset as long as, you know,
it's not every day.

JAY LENO:  Right, right.  Okay.

THE PRESIDENT:  And that's the theory.  She doesn't mind the
girls having a -- having a smack, although Halloween is coming
up.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  And she's been giving, for the last few years,
kids fruit and raisins in a bag.

JAY LENO:  Ooh.

THE PRESIDENT:  And I said, "The White House is going to get
egged" --

JAY LENO:  Right.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- "if this keeps up.  We are going to" --

JAY LENO:  Yeah.  You've got to go -- yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  "You need to throw some candy in there."

JAY LENO:  Yeah, moderation.  Come on.  Exactly.  Exactly.

THE PRESIDENT:  A couple Reese's Pieces or something.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  Yeah.

JAY LENO:  Okay.  You turned 50 recently.

THE PRESIDENT:  I did.

JAY LENO:  Okay.  Biggest gripe?

THE PRESIDENT:  My hair is getting a little gray.

JAY LENO:  Yeah, it is getting a little gray, a touch in there, I
see.

THE PRESIDENT:  But, you know, overall, I feel great.  You know,
Michelle thinks I look old, but that's okay.  She still thinks --
she still thinks I'm cute.  That's what she tells me.

JAY LENO:  How are the girls doing, Malia and Sasha?

THE PRESIDENT:  The girls are doing wonderfully.  You know, they
are growing -- they just grow up so fast.  They are thriving.
They -- it's amazing how steady, well-mannered, kind they are.
You know, they are just good people.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  And part of this, I think, is a testimony to
Michelle, also having my mother-in-law in the house --

JAY LENO:  Oh, yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- because she doesn't take any mess.  So --

JAY LENO:  Do they have cell phones?

THE PRESIDENT:  We have -- Malia got a cell phone, but their not
allowed to use it during the week just like they are not allowed
to watch TV during the week.

JAY LENO:  Really?  Boo.  Boo.  Really?  Wow.

THE PRESIDENT:  During the weekends, they get their TV time,
but --

JAY LENO:  Oh.  Speaking of TV time --

THE PRESIDENT:  Yes.

JAY LENO:  -- now, you recently said that you didn't like the
girls watching the Kardashians.

THE PRESIDENT:  That's --

JAY LENO:  Have you seen the show?

THE PRESIDENT:  No, I have not seen the show.

JAY LENO:  Ah-hah.  So you are making a judgment without ever
seeing the show.

THE PRESIDENT:  I am probably a little biased against reality TV
partly because, you know, there's this program on C-SPAN called
"Congress" --

JAY LENO:  Right.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- that is -- that I -- that I -- that --

(Laughter and applause.)

No, I have not seen the show.  And do you recommend it, Jay?  Do
you think that --

JAY LENO:  I just think it's a wonderful show.  I don't know if
it's something -- I don't know.  Has Michelle seen it?  Have the
girls ever seen it?

THE PRESIDENT:  I think the girls have seen it, yeah.

JAY LENO:  Now, have you been watching the GOP debates?

THE PRESIDENT:  I'm going to wait until everybody is voted off
the island before --

(Applause.)

Once they narrow it down to one or two, I'll start paying
attention.

JAY LENO:  Well, I know you are a huge basketball fan.  This
lockout, this is really depressing.

THE PRESIDENT:  It's heartbreaking.

JAY LENO:  What needs to be done here?  Who is wrong?

(Laughter.)

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, look, if you look at the NFL, they were
able to settle theirs.

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  And I think they understood.  Players were making
millions of dollars.  Owners, some of us are worth billions of
dollars.  We should be able to figure out how to split a
nine-billion-dollar pot so that our fans, who are allowing us to
make all of this money, can actually have a good season.  And I
think the owners and the basketball players need to think the
same way.

(Applause.)

JAY LENO:  Do you think the whole season is going to go?  I mean,
it's two weeks, and it's another -- it's a month.

THE PRESIDENT:  I'm concerned about it.  I think they need to
just remind themselves that the reason they are so successful --

JAY LENO:  Yeah.

THE PRESIDENT:  -- is because a whole bunch of folks out there
love basketball.  And, you know, basketball has actually done
well, but these kinds of lockouts a lot of times take a long time
to recover from them.

JAY LENO:  Exactly.  Now, who have you got in the World Series?

THE PRESIDENT:  You know, my White Sox are not in there.  So I
just want to see a good game.

JAY LENO:  I'm with you.

THE PRESIDENT:  I do not take sides unless it's my side.

JAY LENO:  Wow.  Wow.

(Laughter.)

THE PRESIDENT:  Do not take sides unless it's your side.

JAY LENO:  Well, Mr. President, it has been an honor and a
privilege to have you here.

THE PRESIDENT:  Always a pleasure.

JAY LENO:  Say hello to Michelle and the family.  Thank you so
much.

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you.

JAY LENO:  We'll be right back with music from Yo-Yo Ma.

(Applause.)

http://news.yahoo.com/transcript-president-obamas-interview-tonight-show-jay-leno-003505288.html

10/25/11 LEAVING TONIGHT SHOW with PRESIDENT OBAMA

Saturday, October 22, 2011

10/22/11 STORY of a NORTH KOREAN WHO DEFECTED from NK AFTER COMING TO CHRIST,

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10/22/11 STORY of a NORTH KOREAN WHO DEFECTED from NK AFTER COMING TO CHRIST, [he spokein korean but they had an english translator..this is partial verbatim in English, partial audio in Korean]
"...I was a political officer in n korea, .then I came to know jesus christ ...security..to protect kim ..my job as politcial officer..to educate..in military uniform, but more like secret service, my position was pretty high..who is higher ? Laborpart or army..I say labor party owns the army ..we call kim the highest position in labor party..my rank was very high, first time...did not have..when study in seminary in s. Korea, sent email to bush, try to convince korea consulate that I am fully s. Korean ..difficult to get visa..now come freely, ..question I am aske most. ..is kim --- song dead ? Yes he died in '94 ..he died bc of his son, he asked ..is a socialist or communist better, or capitalism which is better, ...in his fam kim ..is educated in their ideology, he sees many nk people die of starvation but doesn't care...one day his little brother fell into pond..was drowning..he did nothing ..he was insensitized re any death..he wants korea to be united, but in his own way, ..he executed those who wanted unification..we did not know abt god until he came to us ...god made me who I am today. ..to defect and become a pastor, ..kim is a master of masquerade, a liar, ..remember the ..incident ..that was carried out by nk.under special command of  kim ..those 5 who attacked the vessel r called heroes in nk ..but sk also spies..made media portray ..nk ..two official churches.. they execute christians,..u see how kim ---, leading nk starves and kills ..no plan for feeding his people ...we live as humans in justice fairness.. n korea does not..I would not devote mtself to such..some of u from nk ..anything taught us ..kim --- was wrong ...I doubted nk ..but couldn't say my suspicions, ..it was difficult, . 1997.  I obtained a life Bible..god created heavens..didn't undrstnd...kim parties ..I began to read, doubted..but friend ordered me to keep reading..I read a book..was fascinated ..diary..will be there 4 u ...speaking at womens school, asked what they wanted, they said, we want men..disappointed,,,thought they'd be deeper, even if a pigeon ..we would want to eat it ..so hungry ..god took my gun, gave me a spiritual gun,  3rd day opened bible again. To end of revelation..jesus come amen..head spinning ..chuche ideology ? Began realizing power of the word..noticed those who denied god were in poor conditions [error] ..many in korea go to mts on Sunday...not church, ...I confess christ..grow in faith, thank god led me, ..not sure capitalism is 100% correct,,n korean has training re ideology, ..one day a female officer Says she was raped, meaning expulsion. I said don't tell anybody. When we confess, our lord forgives, but in nk confession means prison ...I realized the way for all is the lord ..no other way but thru christ, ..I crossed the river ..afraid of being killed but I prayed as I crossed ..voice said do not fear,just walk, ..joshua & I crossed river ..chinese police came, thought he asked where am I going, he said get in ...crossed into china..dropped off at church, workrd for two months tending chickens, listened to far east broadcast..how many have come to christ thru their broadcast...saw tv women beating up men..women in charge..[joking]. ..and if u correc..u lead your family right,willbe treatedwell by your wife, ...finally arrived in korea ..participated in corndrstone ministry, have met people from this ministry, ..I met a pastor on a bus...he had bibles for nk .later 3 persons intrvwd me, determined I was a true defector, of 23,000 I was the only one who sk sent3 people to bring me to sk..godsent me, used me forhis purpose, , I had to stay w ss in sk for a year, then I wanted to attend sem. But sppsd to be baptized, met seminary chancellor, told him this sem was founded by people who came fr nk, they discussed it, decided to admit me as a foreign student, but they wnted to test me on the bible. ,..I passed ...I know u dtill don't have a senior pastor...I went thru trials, god was w me..for nk missions, I pray u wll rcv spirit..when spirit touches us we remember our sins,..4 kinds of people 1..know self, not others, 2, know others not self 3..know self & others, 4 don't know self or others ..root of sin..desire..when repent, take out root of sin , ..northkorea last front line [what ab iran ?] ..many who left nk came back wthe gospel, ..I wrote a book for nk people, if u recevd god's blessings, u must share w others, ...anything made in china, u can find in nk, ..so long nk told to rely on labor party, we need to restore, so korea can be used by god..end END

Friday, October 21, 2011

DISCIPLING OTHERS, LOVINGLY by Vander

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KOK FAMILY ALBUM 6, pages 28-31, 63 pages

KOK FAMILY ALBUM 6, pages 28-31, 63 pages (FAM6 28-31, 63p)


FAM6 28-31 P1 ORIGINAL album page; 2-7 that’s linda-mom & jim-dad with baby Andrew & sis-Jul, probably Iowa city, mid-60’s; p8-11 is this the Christian Reformed Church in Iowa City where dad worked ? his first church pastor job. ; p12-15 “kok tribes” iowa city.. looks like my late Uncle Sherwood & his wife Ruth & their young kids as well as Grandpa Kok, my linda-mom, & some of the Kok kids, mid 60’s; p16 original album page; p17-21 “our 1965 swimers’ ……I think this refers to a summer missions group which they called “swim” in the Christian Reformed Church (CRC)..not sure who all the people are..but definitely dad-Jim on the far right holding the baby…& it almost looks like a young Eugene & Darlene Rubingh on my dad’s right (picture left) , It also looks like Aunt Diana on the far left … but I’m just guessing, could be wrong; p21-24 “my class” refers to linda-mom’s classroom…maybe her Sunday school kids or did they teach kids during “swim”? She also was a regular teacher for a while around Ann Arbor…. P25-27 one of the other classes ? or still my mom’s class ? looks like a different teacher or adult in the background. P28-29 “snack time” speaks for itself; p30 “gerald’s class”; p31 original album page; p32-34 nice pic of linda-mom with Julie ? and one of mom’s friends with her kids in the snow., presumably iowa city; p35-37 linda mom with two friends; p38-39 “we had a Christmas open house for church people, 1964” says the caption … lots of people there… ha ha. ; p40-43 apparently this is our house on MEADOW street in Iowa City, where I was born; p44 original album page; p45-53 great pics of linda-mom & jim-dad by a lake with baby Julie .. is mom going to throw a naked baby Julie into the water ? just kidding (or can’t you joke about those things anymore these days?. There’s dad on the diving board. P54-56 Sept 2, 1963 Jim-dad & mom with baby Julie p57-59 a loving father with his first child; p60-63 mom & dad not newlyweds anymore but  new parents now… having a fun time on the canoe ; 

KOK FAMILY ALBUM 6, p32-34

KOK FAMILY ALBUM 6, p32-34, 78 pages (FAM6, 32-34,78p)

P1 original album page; p2-10 this is my Uncle Gary (the youngest of the Kok boys and who I remember from growing up in Grand Rapids…we often socialized with Gary & his wife Shirley and their two kids, brian & audra… brian was my age ..we also took several summer vacations with them, camping out west, and we co-owned a cottage on lake Michigan for a few years) and Aunt Shirley at their wedding, probably in grand rapids. I think Shirley was from New Jersey, but the two of them met at Calvin College; p11-13 this is my dad, Jim, with baby Julie ? in Hanford, California in 1964 where my grandfather Rev Gareth Kok was a pastor later in life (after Bellflower, Holland, Edgerton, Hills, et.al)  p14-18, sept 2, 1963 …day after Jim’s ordination into the CRC…with his dad, Gareth, also an ordained CRC pastor; p19 original album page; p20-47 mom’s 4th grade class (that she taught) in Livonia, Michigan (near Ann Arbor) while Jim was doing CPE at University of Michigan hospital (I went a little crazy on the pics of mom, experimenting with the different functions on my photo editor…kind of psychedelic) ; p38-39 this may be the hospital where dad worked in Ann Arbor, or is it their apartment building? ;p40-49 well, this is definitely the hospital, so the previous must be their apartment building;  p50-52 “shower gifts from Jim’s hospital friends; p53 original album page; p54-71 this is the land in Newaygo, Michigan, that my dad bought with his friend Tony Diekema …they planned to plant Christmas Trees and sell them…and they actually did clear the land & plant the seeds or saplings, but apparently never followed up on harvesting them … Tony went on to become president of Calvin College, my dad went into ministry .. and they still own the land as of October 2011 .. I went there a few times with my dad and later with a few highschool friends  even built a teepee there one time with dave dejong & rick byle and slept there overnight (the late rick byle, that is); … lots of trees, very  wooded now..& lots of deer, the people next door even put out salt licks (illegally) on my dad’s land (which I told them to remove one time)…wonder what will become of this land, if anything, some day; p72-77Woody & Ruth family Christmas, 1962 … I’ve mentioned my Uncle Sherwood previously..and ther’s some pics of him as a child with my dad growing up in Bellflower. Sherwood went into the Army after a few years at Calvin College. He rose up thru the ranks to Lieutenant Colonel and served in Vietnam as well as Germany. I think it was hard on him & his family. Sherwood died at a young age, and his son, Gary, as well as daughter, Kathy, also have already passed away. They had a large family including sons Bob, Sherwood Jr., Bill, Gary, & David, as well as daughter, Kathy. We had a few social gatherings with them from time to time. Uncle Sherwood also worked as a Kent County Sheriff deputy for a few years as well as at the county jail after retiring from the army.